First Aired: Nov 5, 2021
This month, New Zealand's Bird of the Year competition ruffled feathers, as per usual, when a bat took the gold. A look at the complex and controversial BotY awards and mean tweets at the non-tweety bats.
I got today’s information from :
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/14/934749679/for-the-birds-voter-fraud-ruffles-new-zealand-bird-of-the-year-competition
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK2110/S00189/native-bats-cause-a-flap-entering-bird-of-the-year-competition.htm?fbclid=IwAR3B_D_QYsUdlLl848tHVjdzs_GWYV0sBPcr3YUueZMbT1Iu69UGmRJsAdQ
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/bat-flies-off-with-new-zealands-bird-year-title-2021-11-02/
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/stpeterscitymissouri
https://www.birdoftheyear.org.nz/
https://www.livescience.com/bat-named-bird-of-the-year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_the_Year
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[00:01:17] And today on this Patreon exclusive episode, we are talking about a bat who really peeved
[00:01:22] off a whole lot of ornithologists.
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[00:01:43] I'm not going to have a new episode in the main feed this week.
[00:01:47] I was sick for a few days and those days were the days that I usually do all my
[00:01:51] research in writing for episodes.
[00:01:54] And while a Sudafed drugged out episode may have been really fun, it also may
[00:01:59] have got me in a lot of trouble.
[00:02:01] Plus the time editing out all of those snot blowings and it's just not cute.
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[00:02:17] One thing off the top I do want to mention and I am going to mention something in
[00:02:20] the main feed as well on this.
[00:02:23] If you happen to have time on November 23rd, 2021, that's a couple weeks from now
[00:02:29] I'm recording this on Veterans Day 11-11-21.
[00:02:32] There's going to be a free online book launch and it's a book called Drunk Flies
[00:02:39] and Stoned Dolphins.
[00:02:41] Y'all this is going to be right up most of your alley.
[00:02:45] The book is written by Dr.
[00:02:46] One Pagan.
[00:02:48] He's this really cool researcher that I stumbled upon on Twitter and we've
[00:02:52] become Twitter friends and he's just really great and amazing.
[00:02:56] And I had screen-shotted, screen-shot, maybe I'm still on Sudafed.
[00:03:02] I had taken a screen-shot of his book and put it on my Twitter feed and was
[00:03:06] like, guys, this is the Venn diagram of all the things that make me happy.
[00:03:11] We have inebriation and animals and science.
[00:03:17] And I guess when he saw that, he was like, you seem like my kind of people.
[00:03:20] He sent me a copy of the book to read before it was even published and put out
[00:03:24] into the world, which I think happens on the 16th.
[00:03:28] And I had the opportunity to read it before it went out into the world.
[00:03:32] So fun.
[00:03:33] You get to learn about what happens when bees accidentally drink nectar or
[00:03:39] eat things that are alcoholic and then they end up going back to the hive.
[00:03:42] They basically have bouncer bees outside the hive because they don't want them
[00:03:46] to accidentally make alcoholic honey and get all the other bees buzzed
[00:03:50] because that's really bad for the rest of the hive, it turns out.
[00:03:54] Why fruit flies use alcoholic fruit or fruit that has gone ripe, which has a
[00:03:59] higher alcohol content as part of their defense strategy against other animals
[00:04:03] that don't have as good of a response to alcohol.
[00:04:08] You find out a lot about plants.
[00:04:09] So if you're a fan also of the Plantar-Pology podcast, which I hope
[00:04:13] you are with Vikram Balega, I think this the intersection of plants and
[00:04:20] animals and just what happens with the body of other animals intersecting at
[00:04:27] intoxication.
[00:04:28] So again, the book is called Drunk Flies and Stone Dolphins, a trip through
[00:04:32] the world of animal intoxication.
[00:04:35] And it is really fun.
[00:04:37] And I learned a lot.
[00:04:38] He does his best to mix really good pharmacological, I really struggle
[00:04:45] with that word, pharmacological science with trying to make it an accessible
[00:04:51] medium for everyone.
[00:04:53] So if this is something that's interesting to you, join him and me
[00:04:58] because after we got to talking about his book, he's like, you seem really
[00:05:01] excited about this.
[00:05:02] Would you like to help me with my book launch?
[00:05:03] And I don't think I've been more flattered in quite some time.
[00:05:08] It was really nice to talk to him.
[00:05:11] We're friends now and this is just so cool.
[00:05:14] So Twitter being used for good.
[00:05:16] I've made a really cool friend.
[00:05:18] I have this really cool experience and I cannot believe that he trusts me to
[00:05:23] help him birth his book into the world.
[00:05:27] It will be a really fun conversation.
[00:05:29] I'm going to maybe try to slip in cocaine bear at least once in our
[00:05:34] conversation and see what happens.
[00:05:36] But yeah, I think it'll be fun.
[00:05:37] So if you get a chance, just follow at bald scientist.
[00:05:41] That is One Pagan's Twitter feed.
[00:05:44] You can also follow my Twitter feed at bewildered pod and you can get all
[00:05:47] the information there if you just wanted to avoid Twitter, which 90% of
[00:05:53] the time I would say is a good call.
[00:05:55] You can actually just go to copperfieldbooks.com and search for
[00:05:58] Dr.
[00:05:59] One Pagan, Drunk Flies, Stone Dolphins, and you can register for this
[00:06:04] free event.
[00:06:05] And with that being said, I guess we should just get in with this
[00:06:08] episode.
[00:06:09] You ready?
[00:06:10] Let's go.
[00:06:18] Okay.
[00:06:19] This bonus episode ties in a little bit with episode 18 in the main feed.
[00:06:24] It was titled The Side Effects of Toad Licking.
[00:06:26] And in that episode, there was one segment on voter fraud regarding
[00:06:30] New Zealand's annual bird of the year.
[00:06:32] So if you wanted to go back and listen to the third segment as a
[00:06:35] refresher on what turns out to just be one controversy in this annual
[00:06:40] contest, go right ahead.
[00:06:42] If you don't want to go back, it's totally okay.
[00:06:45] I'll just do a quick and dirty 30 second refresher.
[00:06:48] Last year in 2020, in the height of voter fraud claims in pretty much
[00:06:53] any democratically run election across, at least in my neck of the
[00:06:57] woods, the US, which zero cases of voter fraud had occurred.
[00:07:01] There was one case of actual voter fraud in New Zealand, which was
[00:07:06] legit.
[00:07:07] Someone had stuffed the ballot for the tiny but mighty Spotted
[00:07:11] Kiwi, stuffed that ballot to the tune of 1500 votes.
[00:07:16] Which was not that hard to figure out because this fraudster used
[00:07:20] the same email address.
[00:07:21] I mean, come on, watch one episode of Dateline if you're going
[00:07:26] to commit fraud of any kind, at least as a cautionary tale.
[00:07:31] The conservation group Forest and Bird runs this election based
[00:07:35] competition to help raise awareness for the New Zealand's
[00:07:37] native bird species, many of which are endangered.
[00:07:42] And the winner becomes the spokesbird for the next year.
[00:07:45] The face of New Zealand conservation efforts.
[00:07:48] And this year, as many of you undoubtedly have already heard by
[00:07:51] now, the winner of the bird of the year goes to the leather
[00:07:55] daddy of birds, the long tailed bat.
[00:08:00] Now listener, you might be thinking to yourself, last I
[00:08:04] checked bats are flying mammals and birds are living dinosaurs.
[00:08:08] And yes, you'll be correct.
[00:08:10] I swear this is not a Sudafed inspired dream that I made up
[00:08:13] into an episode.
[00:08:14] A bat really did just win bird of the year.
[00:08:18] I thought this whole piece was going to be on just how
[00:08:21] ornithologists got their feathers ruffled and a whole
[00:08:23] bunch of bad bird puns, but it turns out that bird of the
[00:08:26] year has had dozens of controversies in its 16 year run.
[00:08:33] Most years have incidences of voter fraud of some kind,
[00:08:36] including in 2010 when the Kakariki was accused of
[00:08:40] rigging the vote.
[00:08:41] To be clear, the Kakariki are birds.
[00:08:45] Not sure how they rigged the vote, but the forest and bird
[00:08:48] committed to securing the vote for future elections.
[00:08:51] In 2008, the very first year of the competition, the
[00:08:55] Kokopo was accused by the Takahe of accepting undeclared
[00:08:59] donations from wealthy migratory birds living in
[00:09:02] Monaco.
[00:09:03] This was cleared by the fictional serious feathered
[00:09:06] fraud office.
[00:09:08] This started off being quite silly, right?
[00:09:10] Birds can't accuse other birds, right?
[00:09:15] Right?
[00:09:16] But silly turned serious when in 2011, non-native
[00:09:19] birds were getting in on the technicality when a
[00:09:22] juvenile emperor penguin rolled up onto the shores
[00:09:25] of New Zealand.
[00:09:26] As he was on land at the time of voting, he
[00:09:28] was eligible to run for bird of the year.
[00:09:31] This bird gained national and international attention,
[00:09:35] but he didn't win.
[00:09:36] The native Pukeko, or the astral Asian Swamp Hen,
[00:09:41] eked out the win.
[00:09:43] But could you just imagine if a non-native bird
[00:09:46] won New Zealand's bird of the year?
[00:09:52] In 2014, the competition switched it up and only
[00:09:55] allowed seabirds for consideration.
[00:09:57] Gasp!
[00:09:59] Even going so far as to change the name of the
[00:10:01] competition for that year, seabird of the year.
[00:10:04] But you know your election isn't legit until the
[00:10:06] Russians have rumors of interference.
[00:10:08] This occurred in 2019.
[00:10:11] However, all the votes were legitimate, but
[00:10:13] rumors gonna rumor.
[00:10:16] There were so many cases of voter fraud over
[00:10:18] the years that in 2018, an independent
[00:10:20] scrutineer, I guess that's an official name of
[00:10:23] the person who just watches over an election
[00:10:25] to make sure that there's no funny business,
[00:10:27] was hired to keep an eye on things for again,
[00:10:31] bird of the year.
[00:10:33] So this year, after the Kokopo won, after the
[00:10:36] 1500 stuffed ballots were eliminated, making
[00:10:40] the Kokopo the only bird to win this event twice.
[00:10:43] There was only one way to mix things up even more.
[00:10:46] Encourage participation.
[00:10:48] The bracket style voting, a la the glorious
[00:10:51] Fat Bear Week Championships was just a few
[00:10:53] weeks ago.
[00:10:54] So switching formats is not going to cut the
[00:10:56] mustard, but adding a non-bird species?
[00:11:00] Now we're talking.
[00:11:01] That would get the internet twittering and well,
[00:11:04] tweeting.
[00:11:04] And it did.
[00:11:05] The long tailed bat or by the Maori word,
[00:11:08] Pika Pika, which is objectively way more fun
[00:11:12] to say was intentionally added to bring
[00:11:15] awareness to other flying pollinators.
[00:11:19] New Zealand's bats are incredible and they
[00:11:21] are in big trouble.
[00:11:22] They live side by side with our native birds.
[00:11:25] They roost in hollow trees and they only
[00:11:27] come out at night to feast on insects.
[00:11:29] But many people don't know they exist.
[00:11:33] Maybe that's how they snuck into the
[00:11:35] competition under the cover of darkness.
[00:11:37] This was a quote by Laura Kuhn, Forest and
[00:11:40] Bird spokesperson.
[00:11:42] She goes on to say, because of New Zealand's
[00:11:44] lack of mammals, bat of the year was going
[00:11:46] to be a very boring competition.
[00:11:48] It just felt like a nice opportunity to
[00:11:50] highlight this critically endangered native
[00:11:52] species and bring them from the darkness
[00:11:54] into the light.
[00:11:56] Any good competition has some smack talk
[00:11:59] from scoop quote.
[00:12:01] We spent hours going through all of the
[00:12:03] bird of the year legislation after weeks
[00:12:05] of caucus meetings.
[00:12:06] Team Toroa is forced to welcome long tailed
[00:12:10] bat as a legitimate candidate since
[00:12:11] there isn't any rule that says bats can't
[00:12:14] campaign says and to be an albatross
[00:12:17] campaign manager, Dan Brady, since over 90%
[00:12:20] of the seabirds in our area are considered
[00:12:22] at risk or worse team to Roa is urging
[00:12:25] the public to forget about bats and vote
[00:12:28] for a grand coalition of seabirds.
[00:12:30] Hashtag seabirds, not tree birds.
[00:12:34] But there was also some support from
[00:12:36] the winged feather in quote.
[00:12:38] We had team Kukopo look forward to
[00:12:40] making this competition more accessible,
[00:12:43] especially to another creature of the
[00:12:45] night, although we can't fly.
[00:12:47] We stand beside our Pika Pika brethren
[00:12:50] says campaign manager for the reigning
[00:12:52] champion Kukopo Gus Jessup.
[00:12:56] According to the bird of the year
[00:12:58] website, birdoftheyear.org quote,
[00:13:01] New Zealand has only two land mammals
[00:13:04] and they are both bats.
[00:13:06] That was the fact for me.
[00:13:08] I had no idea New Zealand only has
[00:13:10] two native land mammals and both of them
[00:13:13] fly anyway back to the quote.
[00:13:16] These flying fur balls are threatened
[00:13:17] by the same problems as our native birds.
[00:13:20] Predators habitat loss and climate
[00:13:21] change.
[00:13:22] The more we do to protect them, the
[00:13:24] more it helps feathered friends and
[00:13:25] vice versa.
[00:13:27] All things considered this competition
[00:13:30] did what it set out to do in a
[00:13:31] really fun way that with all the
[00:13:33] competition, some people took way too
[00:13:35] seriously what forest and bird wanted
[00:13:39] to do bring awareness to birds and
[00:13:42] goth birds who are in serious
[00:13:44] trouble from the effects of humans
[00:13:45] basically destroying land environment,
[00:13:47] climate habitat, native creatures
[00:13:49] and you know everything, which they did.
[00:13:54] The two native bats to New Zealand
[00:13:56] are the long tailed and short tailed
[00:13:58] bats and both are smaller than
[00:14:00] the size of your thumb.
[00:14:02] Look at it.
[00:14:02] Look at your thumb.
[00:14:04] Look how small that is.
[00:14:05] Your bat that we're talking about
[00:14:06] right here is smaller than that.
[00:14:08] And their wingspan is the size of
[00:14:10] your hand.
[00:14:11] Open it.
[00:14:12] You know you want to open your hand.
[00:14:14] Their wingspan is that tiny.
[00:14:17] And if you didn't know that until
[00:14:19] right now, consider yourself informed
[00:14:20] and then thank the forest and bird
[00:14:22] folks for doing this silly event so
[00:14:24] we can now think of these bats as
[00:14:26] pollinators, insect eaters and all
[00:14:28] around awesome little critters who
[00:14:30] always get a bad rap.
[00:14:32] Especially this time of year as
[00:14:34] bats are used to evoke a spooky
[00:14:36] mood for Halloween horror films and
[00:14:39] even one terrifying episode of Wallace
[00:14:41] and Gromit which I don't want to
[00:14:43] talk about.
[00:14:43] Thank you very much.
[00:14:45] But big ups to that five year old
[00:14:46] who can sold me a grown adult in
[00:14:48] the movie theater.
[00:14:50] I really should get my scare
[00:14:51] reflex checked.
[00:14:53] Y'all there were fifty seven
[00:14:55] thousand votes cast in the Bird
[00:14:57] of the Year competition this year.
[00:14:59] Fifty seven thousand.
[00:15:03] That's the most in this contest's
[00:15:05] 16 year history.
[00:15:07] How many is fifty seven thousand?
[00:15:09] OK well fifty seven thousand
[00:15:11] people in Ontario as of
[00:15:12] September 2021 have what is called
[00:15:15] long covid complications from the
[00:15:17] covid 19 virus that significantly
[00:15:19] last longer than three weeks of
[00:15:21] illness that is expected including
[00:15:23] fatigue pain organ issues lack of
[00:15:26] smell or taste insomnia etc.
[00:15:30] One in ten Ontarioans have the
[00:15:32] covid 19 symptoms that last
[00:15:34] longer than 12 weeks.
[00:15:37] Y'all please get vaccinated and
[00:15:39] vaccinate your kids.
[00:15:42] Fifty seven thousand people live
[00:15:43] in Greenland the largest island in
[00:15:46] the world.
[00:15:47] Most of those people live in the
[00:15:49] capital Nuke and the least
[00:15:51] populated country on the planet.
[00:15:54] That same population lives in
[00:15:56] St.
[00:15:57] Peter's City Missouri USA or
[00:16:00] Missouri.
[00:16:02] I'm sure I'll get letters.
[00:16:05] Volkspark Stadion a football
[00:16:08] soccer stadium in Hamburg
[00:16:10] Germany has over fifty seven
[00:16:12] thousand people.
[00:16:14] OK this is a bit of a stretch.
[00:16:15] Estadio Mario Alberto Campes in
[00:16:19] Cordoba Argentina holds exactly
[00:16:21] fifty seven thousand football
[00:16:22] fans but I couldn't not say
[00:16:26] Volkspark Stadion which is way
[00:16:28] more fun and my favorite stat
[00:16:31] fifty seven thousand people
[00:16:33] signed a petition to prevent
[00:16:34] Jeff Bezos from returning to
[00:16:36] earth after his space launch.
[00:16:38] Not all heroes wear capes.
[00:16:40] Fifty seven thousand people
[00:16:42] probably don't.
[00:16:44] While most of the votes went
[00:16:46] baddy not everyone was happy I
[00:16:48] had to dig to find some of the
[00:16:49] more colorful passionate
[00:16:53] interesting tweets and comments
[00:16:57] but it's the Internet and it's
[00:16:58] Twitter so it actually wasn't
[00:17:00] that much digging.
[00:17:01] Here's a sampling.
[00:17:02] I'll keep the names and handles
[00:17:03] private but they are very
[00:17:04] easily accessible on Twitter a
[00:17:06] social media platform known for
[00:17:07] people keeping their cool and
[00:17:08] making rational choices.
[00:17:11] Quote a bat is not a bird.
[00:17:14] I did not vote for a bat or a
[00:17:16] flying pig or flying fox.
[00:17:17] I voted for an indigenous bird
[00:17:20] which this bat is not.
[00:17:21] This really annoys me but I
[00:17:22] shan't stay annoyed because I
[00:17:24] shall remove myself from such
[00:17:26] votes for anything in the
[00:17:27] future.
[00:17:28] Y'all I'm assuming this is an
[00:17:30] adult and this person said
[00:17:32] shant gloves are on my
[00:17:35] gloves are off people.
[00:17:38] Quote this is a sad sad day.
[00:17:44] I mean I guess it's not so sad
[00:17:46] if you're the bat.
[00:17:48] Quote yet again science loses.
[00:17:51] How can we expect kids to
[00:17:53] believe anything.
[00:17:55] To which some hero put on a
[00:17:58] really great gif of a Simpsons
[00:18:00] character going won't someone
[00:18:01] think of the children.
[00:18:04] Which I applaud you reply hero.
[00:18:07] So if you are also loopy on
[00:18:09] cold medication that is
[00:18:10] currently medically needed and
[00:18:12] not being taken recreationally
[00:18:14] and you would love a good laugh
[00:18:15] click on the Wikipedia page for
[00:18:17] Bird of the Year.
[00:18:19] It has got a picture of our
[00:18:20] homeboy the bat wings out
[00:18:22] stretched and obviously what can
[00:18:24] only be described as victory
[00:18:26] pose.
[00:18:28] Try not to get the Batman
[00:18:29] theme song stuck in your head
[00:18:30] this week and just giggle
[00:18:32] because if you didn't know any
[00:18:34] of this and you happen to come
[00:18:35] across that Wikipedia page
[00:18:36] randomly you might think the
[00:18:38] site was hacked.
[00:18:40] I cannot wait to see what
[00:18:42] shenanigans happen next year
[00:18:43] with Bode.
[00:18:45] If you nasty because that's
[00:18:47] what they call it.
[00:18:48] I thought that their week was
[00:18:49] my thing.
[00:18:50] I think the annual Bird of
[00:18:52] the Year controversy going down
[00:18:54] might be my new annual pre
[00:18:56] Thanksgiving celebration for the
[00:18:57] rest of my days.
[00:18:59] And yes I voted.
[00:19:01] Hashtag goth bird.
[00:19:15] So as always you guys thank
[00:19:16] you. Thank you.
[00:19:18] Thank you so much for joining me
[00:19:19] today and be Wilderbeest and
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